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  Elders? Ministerial servants? Pioneers

  by lv4fer in

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  i'm just curious.

  how many of you were elders or ministerial servants or pioneers?

  were you an elder or ms or pioneer when you realized it wasn't the truth or a had you stepped down already, were you "weak" when you realized it?

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  Alligator Wisdom

  I've been a MS for the past 6 years. However, I've always declined appointment of "elder" during the last two. (Details within my personal profile). I'm still considered a MS even though I had requested to step-down from that position also (letter to the BOE on October 30th). In the meantime, the elders have put me on "light-duty". (No talks or Book Study assistant anymore ). Now I'm awaiting the expected "shepharding call" from the CO during his next up-coming visit in April.

  Now doing the slow-fade. When they look behind them in line, they'll find my place vacant .

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother "NOT Exerting Vigorously")
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  Joe Strummer Dies

  by ISP in

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  the clash's joe strummer dies at 50 .

  click to enlarge photo

  london (reuters) - joe strummer, frontman for seminal punk band the clash and a major influence on a whole generation of rock bands, has died at his home at the age of 50, his spokesman says.

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  Alligator Wisdom

  Oh no.....

  Many fond memories of the music from Joe Strummer & The Clash.
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  Looking Back, Were You Easy Prey For The Witnesses

  by minimus in

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  based upon your life and circumstances, were you easy prey for witnesses to get to you with their message?

  were you going thru some trauma or bad times?

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  I was definitely easy pickings. Gullible and naive at that. After all, I first stepped into a Kingdom Hall when I was 5 years old. My mother studied (and was baptized in 1974....I wonder why?) with an older woman who "claimed" to be of the 144,000. I didn't know any better.

  But now.....I know better. When they look behind them, they'll find my place in line "vacant" .

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother "NOT Exerting Vigorously")
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  Do not blame the workers in the field

  by whyhideit in

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  often when discussing with jehovah's witnesses the problems of the organization, it is common for them to say they think you are lying.

  they may feel in some way or another that you have fallen away from the pure light, and have become blinded to jehovah, and opened your eyes to satan's false teaching.

  these words, and the thinking i have expressed, should sound very familiar to any reader who has spent time in the organization.

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  Alligator Wisdom

  The elders in Canada do not share thoughts with elders in Texas, with elders in Florida or elders in New York. So they too, do not know what is happening around the world. Circuit Overseers do not call, and are not encouraged to do so, other Circuit Overseers from around the world to compare notes and ask question. In the case of the elders, Circuit Overseers and other branch positions, the recommended method is to call headquarters and speak to the main offices.

  So true.....

  After I moved here to Japan from the USA to "help" where there was a greater need in an English speaking congregation, many of the elders (all native Japanese, although somewhat proficient in English) asked how things ran in congregations back in the USA. Often times when I concluded a part or offered suggestions, they were in "awe" because of the refreshing difference. I myself, just handled my responsibilites (talks, field service, sheparding calls....) as I was trained to do so. I was puzzled at first, but I now see that they really didn't have the BIG PICTURE........nor did I.

  ~ Now doing the "submerge" ~ When they look back in line, they'll find my place vacant .

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother "NOT Exerting Vigorously")
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  Gasoline Price in your area

  by JH in

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  yesterday alone the price of gasoline went up 9 cents a liter here in eastern canada passing from 68 to 77 cents a liter.

  a one day jump of 9 cents a liter is equal to about 40 cents a gallon.

  so now we pay 77 cents a liter or 3.50$ a canadian gallon.

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  Alligator Wisdom

  Here in Japan.......

  On avereage, 90 yen per liter. That is equivalent to about US$0.75 per liter or US$2.85 per gallon.

  I sure miss those low gas prices when I was living in the USA. But I do agree with Ballistic, the cars we drive in Japan/Europe are very fuel efficient. My car travels 15 kilometers for every liter of gasoline. That is equivalent to about 35 miles per gallon. And that's city stop and go driving!

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother "NOT Exerting Vigorously")
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  JW's and the YMCA

  by artful in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my father and mother (both loyal jws and in their 70s) have recently joined a local ymca for it's fitness facility.

  it seems to me that the wts does not look favorably on this organization, possibly to the point of prohibiting jws from joining it.

  i have searched for information online but to no avail.

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  What about the "YWCA"?

  I'm sure that the same policy applies to them too.

  Ironically though, my former congregation in Southern California was located right next to a YWCA. During every Memorial season, the elders would ask the coordinator at the YWCA if the congregation could use their parking lot during the evening of the Memorial celebration in anticipation of the "great crowd" that would attend. During those evening hours, the YWCA was closed and they had a parking lot the same size as the Kingdom Hall's. Of course, the congregation would "donate" a fee (US $25.00) for the use of the parking lot. Since I was the account servant at that time, I personally would write the check and deliver it to the coordinator at the YWCA.

  The elders called it a legitimate business transaction.

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother "NOT Exerting Vigorously")
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  Evil CO's wives

  by PopeOfEruke in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  does anyone remember particularly evil wives of circuit overseers?.

  i remember one, a little chinese "lady" known as norma.

  absolutely hated kids.

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  Mulan,

  Rosemary Kraushaar!

  I remember her. She and her husband was assigned to our Circuit about 5 years ago (when I was living in the USA in Southern California). I didn't have the "privilege" to know her that well though. Fortunately for me! However, I heard about her antics from the pioneers from my former congregation.

  As always, I enjoy reading your posts!

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother "NOT Exerting Vigorously")
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  Do you believe in Jehovah-God

  by SpannerintheWorks in

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  jehovah-god is going to destroy ,annihilate all the wicked.

  that includes us, people!

  6,000,000,000 people.

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  Alligator Wisdom

  I'll quote a line from a song by John Lennon.

  "God is a concept by which we measure our pain".

  (Yeah! It got me thinking too......)

  ~ Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother "NOT Exerting Vigorously")
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  Just Get on With Life!

  by onacruse in

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  i don't start many threads, but in the last few days several things have happened with me that just compel me.

  please don't take this list as anything other than imho thoughts:.

  1) i was a baptized jw for 38 years (i'm now 50)---so what?

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  Alligator Wisdom

  Onacruse. Just a thought!

  John Lennon once sang ...........................

  ....."Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans.".....

  ~ I personally have found this expression to be quite profound and use it as my daily reminder ~

  By the way, I always enjoy reading your posts! Good day to you!!

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother "NOT Exerting Vigorously")

  Edited by - alligator wisdom on 7 December 2002 2:57:59
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  What Doctrine Or Belief Didn"t You Agree W...

  by minimus in

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  when you get baptized, you are expected to swallow a multitude of beliefs that either you never really understood or simply didn't truly believe in.

  when going over questions for baptism, almost nobody understood the concept of the"faithful and discreet slave".

  yet after it was attempted to explain this mumbo-jumbo, every candidate meekly just went along with the explanation without ever truly understanding the fallacy.

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  Didn't believe in the Governing Body as being appointed over Christ's belongings! Still don't!

  And just like "Windchaser", I didn't believe about all this "modern day fulfillment" parallels. Come on now, the seven trumpet blasts in Revelation is supposed to be the seven conventions of the early 20's?????

  I was foolish for being baptized. I didn't even "love" Jehovah. All the wrong motives were involved. Just to please others when I took the plung. So, do you think I can ask that my baptisim be relinquished?

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother "NOT Exerting Vigorously")